Comments on: A DNR for Linspire’s CNR http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/ Enhancing your Ubuntu experience! Fri, 11 May 2012 05:04:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Paul http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-901 Paul Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:54:35 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-901 I used Linspire and CNR for several years. It does have an advantage in that you can legally obtain all the proprietary media codecs that are otherwise illegal in the United States and not have to worry about getting caught. CNR is good for beginning Linux users who would not know the first thing about updating sources.list. CNR also allows the user to easily buy proprietary Linux based programs and games (yes there are some). CNR also has "isles" where you can store/recall your favorite programs that you want to have installed on all your PCs. I used Linspire and CNR for several years. It does have an advantage in that you can legally obtain all the proprietary media codecs that are otherwise illegal in the United States and not have to worry about getting caught. CNR is good for beginning Linux users who would not know the first thing about updating sources.list. CNR also allows the user to easily buy proprietary Linux based programs and games (yes there are some). CNR also has “isles” where you can store/recall your favorite programs that you want to have installed on all your PCs.

]]> By: Scott http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-900 Scott Mon, 16 Jul 2007 02:31:56 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-900 I'm amazed at how many don't get CNR. First of all, APT is just a front end for DPKG. Synaptic in turn is a frontend for APT.. What you get from CNR are either Debian packages (which Ubuntu utilizes along with Debian, Linspire/Freespire, MEPIS and several other distros, or RPMs which are utilized by many distros. And guess what? You can download and install Debian packages from all over the Internet and you install them without anything but DPKG. There is no APT involved. What's nice about CNR is just like downloading software for Windows, you can get good information on the software (including Screenshots) and then just download it right there (think download.com). I don't see why people are getting ail up in arms about this. It can do nothing but benefit the community. And even better, CNR offers commercial as well as no-cost software. You get the best of both worlds. And most of what they have is GPL. Personally, I think it's great. For me, it won't replace APT (or it's front-ends) but it's a nice alternative. I plan to use both. I’m amazed at how many don’t get CNR.

First of all, APT is just a front end for DPKG. Synaptic in turn is a frontend for APT..

What you get from CNR are either Debian packages (which Ubuntu utilizes along with Debian, Linspire/Freespire, MEPIS and several other distros, or RPMs which are utilized by many distros.

And guess what? You can download and install Debian packages from all over the Internet and you install them without anything but DPKG. There is no APT involved.

What’s nice about CNR is just like downloading software for Windows, you can get good information on the software (including Screenshots) and then just download it right there (think download.com).

I don’t see why people are getting ail up in arms about this.

It can do nothing but benefit the community.

And even better, CNR offers commercial as well as no-cost software. You get the best of both worlds. And most of what they have is GPL.

Personally, I think it’s great. For me, it won’t replace APT (or it’s front-ends) but it’s a nice alternative. I plan to use both.

]]> By: Pollywog http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-899 Pollywog Sat, 19 May 2007 22:59:53 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-899 I have used CnR in both Linspire and Freespire and it is nice but I still prefer APT. Freespire allows users to use APT if they prefer it. I have used CnR in both Linspire and Freespire and it is nice but I still prefer APT. Freespire allows users to use APT if they prefer it.

]]> By: Ubuntu user http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-898 Ubuntu user Fri, 11 May 2007 01:15:16 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-898 http://www.cnr.com/ At least the recently open-sourced CNR promises to make installing the packages as easy on Fedora as, say, openSuse or Ubuntu. One huge, great, big repo. I fell in love with 'buntu because it had so many packages not easily seen in many other distro 3rd party repos. Gpar2, NZB, Klibido and others, for example. With CNR we should have access to all the codecs, mplayers, decoders and stuff in ANY participating distro without needing to dig out repo urls and keys, or needing to nano/gedit the repo and conf files. Sounds good to me - I hope they add support for RHEL/CentOS/StartCom. We'll see... http://www.cnr.com/

At least the recently open-sourced CNR promises to make installing the packages as easy on Fedora as, say, openSuse or Ubuntu.

One huge, great, big repo. I fell in love with ‘buntu because it had so many packages not easily seen in many other distro 3rd party repos. Gpar2, NZB, Klibido and others, for example.

With CNR we should have access to all the codecs, mplayers, decoders and stuff in ANY participating distro without needing to dig out repo urls and keys, or needing to nano/gedit the repo and conf files.

Sounds good to me – I hope they add support for RHEL/CentOS/StartCom. We’ll see…

]]> By: aaron http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-897 aaron Sun, 22 Apr 2007 05:37:46 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-897 awesome screen shots, do you have any that are actually readable? nice fud. awesome screen shots, do you have any that are actually readable? nice fud.

]]> By: luptinpitman http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-896 luptinpitman Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:04:12 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-896 Didn't seem so insidious to me. Looks like a pretty portal to what is already available. Web interface to apt/synaptic with pictures and text along with the ability to purchase software (and devices if I read the press release correctly). Seems like another "Automatix sucks cause you don't need it" type argument. I can plainly see the value to the surge of newbie users flooding into the Linux fold. Sounds like a good thing to me... Didn’t seem so insidious to me. Looks like a pretty portal to what is already available. Web interface to apt/synaptic with pictures and text along with the ability to purchase software (and devices if I read the press release correctly). Seems like another “Automatix sucks cause you don’t need it” type argument. I can plainly see the value to the surge of newbie users flooding into the Linux fold. Sounds like a good thing to me…

]]> By: Siberia » Blog Archive » CNR v2 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-895 Siberia » Blog Archive » CNR v2 Sun, 11 Feb 2007 14:06:55 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-895 [...] To quote Christer Edwards(post here): [...] [...] To quote Christer Edwards(post here): [...]

]]> By: bvmou http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-894 bvmou Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:11:32 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-894 Aaron, The .mp3 patents expire in 2010, this is transitional. And given that 99% of DVD content is proprietary, it doesnt make too much sense to insist on watching locked-down content in a pristinely open standard. I agree with your goals but they are more likely to be furthered by things like the CNR deal. The point of the CNR deal is not to get users to pay, it is a US-specific attempt to undermine the effectiveness of proprietary standards, as I outlined above. No one will actually pay, but everyone will benefit, it is like FUD in reverse. The best example is the Ipod, where only a small fraction of the music on a given device is "legal", but the main distribution channel (Apple) remains free and clear because its official stance is to support the "owners" of the "intellectual property." Ipod sales are driven by the ease of supporting shared content - they would go out of business if they only played Apple's FairPlay content. CNR will be like our FairPlay, it will legitimize the spread of free stuff, and give us tremendous cover, despite the fact that no one will use it. Aaron,

The .mp3 patents expire in 2010, this is transitional. And given that 99% of DVD content is proprietary, it doesnt make too much sense to insist on watching locked-down content in a pristinely open standard. I agree with your goals but they are more likely to be furthered by things like the CNR deal. The point of the CNR deal is not to get users to pay, it is a US-specific attempt to undermine the effectiveness of proprietary standards, as I outlined above. No one will actually pay, but everyone will benefit, it is like FUD in reverse.

The best example is the Ipod, where only a small fraction of the music on a given device is “legal”, but the main distribution channel (Apple) remains free and clear because its official stance is to support the “owners” of the “intellectual property.” Ipod sales are driven by the ease of supporting shared content – they would go out of business if they only played Apple’s FairPlay content. CNR will be like our FairPlay, it will legitimize the spread of free stuff, and give us tremendous cover, despite the fact that no one will use it.

]]> By: Aaron http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-893 Aaron Sun, 11 Feb 2007 10:04:02 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-893 For me, an above-average Ubuntu user, the reasons not to use CNR are ethical reasons. First, I find it wonderful that there is a service to use and install proprietary and patented codecs legally. Apt does not provide this. However, the reason *I* use Ubuntu, is so I can break the chains of such software. I want to encourage developers to develop open standards, and I want the media industry to support them. Using CNR keeps this from happening by supporting developers to continue producing closed patented applications and codecs. While I may have my fix to watch WMV videos or play MP3s, I am not doing anything to support the use of open protocols or codecs. For me, an above-average Ubuntu user, the reasons not to use CNR are ethical reasons.

First, I find it wonderful that there is a service to use and install proprietary and patented codecs legally. Apt does not provide this.

However, the reason *I* use Ubuntu, is so I can break the chains of such software. I want to encourage developers to develop open standards, and I want the media industry to support them.

Using CNR keeps this from happening by supporting developers to continue producing closed patented applications and codecs. While I may have my fix to watch WMV videos or play MP3s, I am not doing anything to support the use of open protocols or codecs.

]]> By: bvmou http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/02/10/a-dnr-for-linspires-cnr/#comment-892 bvmou Sun, 11 Feb 2007 05:28:32 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=271#comment-892 The CNR deal is completely brilliant for reasons that are being missed in this discussion. This is not about ease-of-use. It is actually a clever COVER for the free (libre + $) spread of hostage "intellectual property" with fewer restrictions than currently exist, I am surprised no one sees this. If you go into a cafe and see someone booting into OS X from a Toshiba laptop, you can be sure some "intellectual property" has been violated. Sadly the same is the case for Linux user in the United States watching a DVD on anything other than Linspire. Now Canonical announces a deal whereby a legal channel will be open - and here is the masterstroke - IT WILL TOTALLY NOT MATTER IF ANYONE USES IT, THE GOAL WILL HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED. Whatever ridiculous trade group "owns" the algorithms for A/V decompression will be left with cap in hand, because now Canonical can put free decompression software on non-US servers, and point the US lawyers who harass them to the Linspire deal, which is a historical fluke we should be grateful for and exploit the hell out of. And there will be no physical, forensic difference between the "legal" and "ilegal" versions, so the mere existence of a legal version will effectively legalize all the Banditti in America. Of course, Shuttleworth cannot say this openly, but he is bright enough to know what he is doing, his career has been one jiujitsu on US IP insanity after another. "Ease of use" is a canard, and it is fair to be mystified if that's what you think Canonical is after. That isnt what Canonical is after. The CNR deal is completely brilliant for reasons that are being missed in this discussion. This is not about ease-of-use. It is actually a clever COVER for the free (libre + $) spread of hostage “intellectual property” with fewer restrictions than currently exist, I am surprised no one sees this. If you go into a cafe and see someone booting into OS X from a Toshiba laptop, you can be sure some “intellectual property” has been violated. Sadly the same is the case for Linux user in the United States watching a DVD on anything other than Linspire.

Now Canonical announces a deal whereby a legal channel will be open – and here is the masterstroke – IT WILL TOTALLY NOT MATTER IF ANYONE USES IT, THE GOAL WILL HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED. Whatever ridiculous trade group “owns” the algorithms for A/V decompression will be left with cap in hand, because now Canonical can put free decompression software on non-US servers, and point the US lawyers who harass them to the Linspire deal, which is a historical fluke we should be grateful for and exploit the hell out of. And there will be no physical, forensic difference between the “legal” and “ilegal” versions, so the mere existence of a legal version will effectively legalize all the Banditti in America. Of course, Shuttleworth cannot say this openly, but he is bright enough to know what he is doing, his career has been one jiujitsu on US IP insanity after another.

“Ease of use” is a canard, and it is fair to be mystified if that’s what you think Canonical is after. That isnt what Canonical is after.

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