Comments on: Goodbye Mutt / The Importance Of Community http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/ Enhancing your Ubuntu experience! Fri, 11 May 2012 05:04:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Raffi http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1486 Raffi Mon, 17 Sep 2007 00:45:55 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1486 mutt + OfflineIMAP really does the job (http://software.complete.org/offlineimap) mutt + OfflineIMAP really does the job (http://software.complete.org/offlineimap)

]]> By: Ubuntu | Juan Carlos Torres: Suzaku’s Upgrade, Dust, and Community http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1484 Ubuntu | Juan Carlos Torres: Suzaku’s Upgrade, Dust, and Community Wed, 23 May 2007 06:45:59 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1484 [...] Christer Edward’s post got me thinking again about community. I am a firm believer in the importance of community, much [...] [...] Christer Edward’s post got me thinking again about community. I am a firm believer in the importance of community, much [...]

]]> By: Jucato’s Data Core » Archives » Suzaku’s Upgrade, Dust, and Community http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1485 Jucato’s Data Core » Archives » Suzaku’s Upgrade, Dust, and Community Mon, 21 May 2007 16:21:18 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1485 [...] Christer Edward’s post got me thinking again about community. I am a firm believer in the importance of community, much [...] [...] Christer Edward’s post got me thinking again about community. I am a firm believer in the importance of community, much [...]

]]> By: anonymous http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1472 anonymous Fri, 18 May 2007 22:24:54 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1472 Mutt fails in Imap. There are not many options. Mutt fails in Imap. There are not many options.

]]> By: Ropetin http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1473 Ropetin Fri, 18 May 2007 17:53:10 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1473 I would urge you to try Mutt again. I personally moved to it about 2 years ago, when I totally dumped my Windows boxes, except for Windows only tasks. I tried to love Evolution, I really did, but there were only so many crashes a man could stand in a day (I'm looking at you Task List...) I agree that the 'community' around Mutt, if it even exists, is a little bit combative and terse. However, the community isn't the same as the tool. Mutt is the most powerful, easy to use and fast email client I have ever used. My fingers have got so used to the commands in Mutt that I customize any other program I can to match them. I learned how to configure Mutt by using the man pages, and copying some .muttrc files posted online. There are some great examples out there, just Google for .muttrc, and see what comes up. It's complex at first, but once it's configured, it's done. You can use the same config file on different machines with no worries. Not that you really will need to configure it on multiple machines, just SSH into your 'email machine' and enjoy! For those occasions when I just HAVE to have a GUI email client, my choice is Kmail. Yes it crashes as much as Evolution used to, but at least it's in a predictable pattern so I can help avoid it. Of course, the fact that I run my own IMAP server (pulling emails from multiple POP accounts) helps avoid losing or duplicating emails. I would urge you to try Mutt again. I personally moved to it about 2 years ago, when I totally dumped my Windows boxes, except for Windows only tasks. I tried to love Evolution, I really did, but there were only so many crashes a man could stand in a day (I’m looking at you Task List…)

I agree that the ‘community’ around Mutt, if it even exists, is a little bit combative and terse. However, the community isn’t the same as the tool. Mutt is the most powerful, easy to use and fast email client I have ever used. My fingers have got so used to the commands in Mutt that I customize any other program I can to match them.

I learned how to configure Mutt by using the man pages, and copying some .muttrc files posted online. There are some great examples out there, just Google for .muttrc, and see what comes up. It’s complex at first, but once it’s configured, it’s done. You can use the same config file on different machines with no worries. Not that you really will need to configure it on multiple machines, just SSH into your ‘email machine’ and enjoy!

For those occasions when I just HAVE to have a GUI email client, my choice is Kmail. Yes it crashes as much as Evolution used to, but at least it’s in a predictable pattern so I can help avoid it.

Of course, the fact that I run my own IMAP server (pulling emails from multiple POP accounts) helps avoid losing or duplicating emails.

]]> By: Bob Wagner http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1474 Bob Wagner Fri, 18 May 2007 15:31:08 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1474 I'd second kmail - then, it's not ideal in gnome I’d second kmail – then, it’s not ideal in gnome

]]> By: Carl http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1475 Carl Fri, 18 May 2007 12:01:23 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1475 Well... I'm really sorry to hear that. I was relying on you to give me a great howto for mutt :D. I guess I will have to learn it by myself. I made the move from gui to command line for a few task like calendar (pal), task (simple text file), editor (vim). The only corner that I need to setup now is email. Most of the clients suck so much that I ended up using only web interface, which is also bad :(. And let me share a thing about the community, Ubuntu's one is so big now that it is almost a problem. If you post on the forum or on irc, the signal vs noise ratio is so bad that I almost always have to find the solution by myself :|... Well… I’m really sorry to hear that. I was relying on you to give me a great howto for mutt :D .

I guess I will have to learn it by myself. I made the move from gui to command line for a few task like calendar (pal), task (simple text file), editor (vim). The only corner that I need to setup now is email. Most of the clients suck so much that I ended up using only web interface, which is also bad :( .

And let me share a thing about the community, Ubuntu’s one is so big now that it is almost a problem. If you post on the forum or on irc, the signal vs noise ratio is so bad that I almost always have to find the solution by myself :| …

]]> By: Simon Brown http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1476 Simon Brown Fri, 18 May 2007 10:11:24 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1476 I'll just put in a quick plug for Balsa (http://balsa.gnome.org) which is in my opinion the best GNOME mail client. It just a simple fast MUA. It also will quite happily coexist with mutt I’ll just put in a quick plug for Balsa (http://balsa.gnome.org) which is in my opinion the best GNOME mail client. It just a simple fast MUA. It also will quite happily coexist with mutt

]]> By: Marius Gedminas http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1477 Marius Gedminas Fri, 18 May 2007 09:51:38 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1477 Sylpheed is nice and GNOMEy. Claws is more featureful but feels more KDEish (focus on features rather than aesthetics). I do not understand how anyone can bear to use Evolution (it's been too slow and too crash-prone every time I tried to give it a chance). I've never encountered a Mutt community. I learned Mutt by reading the manual from cover to cover, a few times, back when I was younger and had plenty of spare time. I probably wouldn't be able to do that now (e.g. instead of learning irssi I keep using xchat-gnome). Sylpheed is nice and GNOMEy. Claws is more featureful but feels more KDEish (focus on features rather than aesthetics). I do not understand how anyone can bear to use Evolution (it’s been too slow and too crash-prone every time I tried to give it a chance).

I’ve never encountered a Mutt community. I learned Mutt by reading the manual from cover to cover, a few times, back when I was younger and had plenty of spare time. I probably wouldn’t be able to do that now (e.g. instead of learning irssi I keep using xchat-gnome).

]]> By: MattW http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/05/17/goodbye-mutt-the-importance-of-community/#comment-1478 MattW Fri, 18 May 2007 09:35:15 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=338#comment-1478 Best I've managed so far is Evolution, and that's largely because I'm fed up of trying any alternatives. The GNOME integration tips it for me, but the actual mail handling is horrendous, and I hate the single shell for Mail, Calendar, Contacts etc. These are different functions and should be in different apps! Fortunately there are lightweight apps coming down the pipe which are EDS based for some of these things, but not for mail. Why do all mail clients suck? Probably because all mail servers are broken too. I've never yet met two mail servers which entirely agreed on their implementation of IMAP. Best I’ve managed so far is Evolution, and that’s largely because I’m fed up of trying any alternatives. The GNOME integration tips it for me, but the actual mail handling is horrendous, and I hate the single shell for Mail, Calendar, Contacts etc. These are different functions and should be in different apps!

Fortunately there are lightweight apps coming down the pipe which are EDS based for some of these things, but not for mail. Why do all mail clients suck? Probably because all mail servers are broken too. I’ve never yet met two mail servers which entirely agreed on their implementation of IMAP.

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