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		<title>By: Koz</title>
		<link>http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-3855</link>
		<dc:creator>Koz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get a server, get a T1, and then bam you all set.</description>
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		<title>By: secretboy</title>
		<link>http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-3767</link>
		<dc:creator>secretboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice post.keep up the good work.</description>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-2242</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comcrap blows I am getting Fios as soon as its available</description>
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		<title>By: Comcast Is Starting The Tiered Internet.. Whether We Like It or Not &#171; Top Tech News</title>
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		<dc:creator>Comcast Is Starting The Tiered Internet.. Whether We Like It or Not &#171; Top Tech News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 17:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: internet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comcast Is Starting The Tiered Internet.. Whether We Like It or Not</title>
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		<dc:creator>internet &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Comcast Is Starting The Tiered Internet.. Whether We Like It or Not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 06:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see this as a big problem with a VERY simple solution.

DON'T USE COMCAST.  Do not reward this behavior with your hard earned money.  Go with another provider.

And if they try to pull that "you signed a contract for X-many months", tell them they've violated the contract themselves by changing the terms of service.

The market will soon learn that so-called "tiered internet" doesn't sell, and it starts hitting their bottom line, they WILL change their policies.

Unfortunately, for the lesson to work, people need to leave Comcast and leave them quickly and leave them in droves while there's still competition to go to.  If the industry as a whole decides to screw the consumer with "tiered internet" everywhere, so that there are no more choices, then we're all screwed.  It's best to punish one offender now than to let the rest get ideas...

STOP PAYING FOR COMCAST!  SWITCH TO ANOTHER PROVIDER!  DO IT NOW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see this as a big problem with a VERY simple solution.</p>
<p>DON&#8217;T USE COMCAST.  Do not reward this behavior with your hard earned money.  Go with another provider.</p>
<p>And if they try to pull that &#8220;you signed a contract for X-many months&#8221;, tell them they&#8217;ve violated the contract themselves by changing the terms of service.</p>
<p>The market will soon learn that so-called &#8220;tiered internet&#8221; doesn&#8217;t sell, and it starts hitting their bottom line, they WILL change their policies.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, for the lesson to work, people need to leave Comcast and leave them quickly and leave them in droves while there&#8217;s still competition to go to.  If the industry as a whole decides to screw the consumer with &#8220;tiered internet&#8221; everywhere, so that there are no more choices, then we&#8217;re all screwed.  It&#8217;s best to punish one offender now than to let the rest get ideas&#8230;</p>
<p>STOP PAYING FOR COMCAST!  SWITCH TO ANOTHER PROVIDER!  DO IT NOW!</p>
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		<title>By: Kyran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's a lot of argument over consumer rights vs corporate rights with no agreement and no way to definitively win.

There's also a lot of argument over simple definitions (the most common argument over what a "server" is).  Again..nobody can really win that.  You give me a dictionary that defines it one way and I'll pull out a handbook that defines it another.

"A" way to look at this...certainly not the only way and perhaps not the most correct way, but it's 'an' optional view...
Someone or other made the argument about cable companies overselling their bandwidth because they don't expect users to actually USE all of it.
The same thing happens on airlines with seats...not everyone who books a flight actually shows up for it..business people are commonly known to book themselves on 3 or 4 different flights "just in case."  Because of this, airlines overbook flights in anticipation of people not showing up.  Who here has ever bought a ticket only to have no seat waiting for them on the plane from where it was overbooked though?  For those arguing in defense of the cable companies trying to turn a profit by overselling their bandwidth, how do YOU like being left behind when the plane has no room?  You have equal right to be angry at the people who triple-book themselves and make the airlines HAVE to overbook a flight in order to turn a profit as you have to be mad at the airline for leaving you stranded.  Who's in the wrong?  Either or perhaps both, but there's no way ANYONE can really pin it down.

With advancements in software models to predict traffic flow based on a number of different things, the airlines have accounted for such problems and done a wonderful job in correcting it...they've adjusted their prices and schedules accordingly, made advancements in various respects, and mostly solved the problem.  It still happens, but it's rare compared to back in the day.
Why can't an ISP do the same?  Adjust its business model and prices and services and plans and infrastructure in such a way that more bandwidth is put where it is needed when it is needed and such on and so forth?
This argument supports both sides..it supports the consumer's right to expect certain services and it supports an ISP's right to adapt to a changing world.

It's a vastly dynamic market with lots of possibilities..change is the only way anything can move forward (I know...'duh' right?).
Perhaps some decisions are being made in the name of greed and profit.  Perhaps some decisions are being made for self preservation.  Perhaps some decisions are selflessly being made for the benefit of everyone (though the one in debate here today probably doesn't fall into that last category). EVERYONE has the ability to decide.  If Comcast decides to block bittorrent, you can decide to change providers or find a loop-around as has been suggested.
The curse and blessing of living in a capitalistic society is that you're often at the mercy of powerful corporations..but no matter how big the corporation, there's always an alternative.
*shrug*
I realize I made no real point...I just wanted to summarize everything in a food-for-thought kind of format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a lot of argument over consumer rights vs corporate rights with no agreement and no way to definitively win.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s also a lot of argument over simple definitions (the most common argument over what a &#8220;server&#8221; is).  Again..nobody can really win that.  You give me a dictionary that defines it one way and I&#8217;ll pull out a handbook that defines it another.</p>
<p>&#8220;A&#8221; way to look at this&#8230;certainly not the only way and perhaps not the most correct way, but it&#8217;s &#8216;an&#8217; optional view&#8230;<br />
Someone or other made the argument about cable companies overselling their bandwidth because they don&#8217;t expect users to actually USE all of it.<br />
The same thing happens on airlines with seats&#8230;not everyone who books a flight actually shows up for it..business people are commonly known to book themselves on 3 or 4 different flights &#8220;just in case.&#8221;  Because of this, airlines overbook flights in anticipation of people not showing up.  Who here has ever bought a ticket only to have no seat waiting for them on the plane from where it was overbooked though?  For those arguing in defense of the cable companies trying to turn a profit by overselling their bandwidth, how do YOU like being left behind when the plane has no room?  You have equal right to be angry at the people who triple-book themselves and make the airlines HAVE to overbook a flight in order to turn a profit as you have to be mad at the airline for leaving you stranded.  Who&#8217;s in the wrong?  Either or perhaps both, but there&#8217;s no way ANYONE can really pin it down.</p>
<p>With advancements in software models to predict traffic flow based on a number of different things, the airlines have accounted for such problems and done a wonderful job in correcting it&#8230;they&#8217;ve adjusted their prices and schedules accordingly, made advancements in various respects, and mostly solved the problem.  It still happens, but it&#8217;s rare compared to back in the day.<br />
Why can&#8217;t an ISP do the same?  Adjust its business model and prices and services and plans and infrastructure in such a way that more bandwidth is put where it is needed when it is needed and such on and so forth?<br />
This argument supports both sides..it supports the consumer&#8217;s right to expect certain services and it supports an ISP&#8217;s right to adapt to a changing world.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a vastly dynamic market with lots of possibilities..change is the only way anything can move forward (I know&#8230;&#8217;duh&#8217; right?).<br />
Perhaps some decisions are being made in the name of greed and profit.  Perhaps some decisions are being made for self preservation.  Perhaps some decisions are selflessly being made for the benefit of everyone (though the one in debate here today probably doesn&#8217;t fall into that last category). EVERYONE has the ability to decide.  If Comcast decides to block bittorrent, you can decide to change providers or find a loop-around as has been suggested.<br />
The curse and blessing of living in a capitalistic society is that you&#8217;re often at the mercy of powerful corporations..but no matter how big the corporation, there&#8217;s always an alternative.<br />
*shrug*<br />
I realize I made no real point&#8230;I just wanted to summarize everything in a food-for-thought kind of format.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the reply about ISP overselling bandwidth. We know this, same with server co's. BUT is it OUT obligation to allow them to oversell. IE sell a service THEY FULL WELL KNOW they can not provide. This is OUR fault&#62; id like to see how. Fact is they got caught with britches down. Fact is hardware and bandwidth cost is dropping imensly not just for us but them aswell. Diff is they are pocketing the diff in costs, still overselling and now are stuffed cause we want to do SOMETHING with the net that takes mroe kb/sec then email. Cry me a river.

Its not fair for us to uplaod, however its fair for them to sell bandwidth we dont have? Even a child knows two wrongs dont make a right! They been overselling all along and raking the $ in. So now its time for THEM to pony up and pay the fees to actually provide that unlimited net they promised me!

If this keeps up at this rate.....well need a few rich folks to start a "real isp" and show these loosers how to make $ and server the entire internet unlimited as it should be. Its that or just let it die altogether. See how the gov likes it if we all ban the net for a while hahahaha. Major cash flow stopped. Boycott the net if this catches on, thats what I think we should do. within two months they would see things differently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the reply about ISP overselling bandwidth. We know this, same with server co&#8217;s. BUT is it OUT obligation to allow them to oversell. IE sell a service THEY FULL WELL KNOW they can not provide. This is OUR fault&gt; id like to see how. Fact is they got caught with britches down. Fact is hardware and bandwidth cost is dropping imensly not just for us but them aswell. Diff is they are pocketing the diff in costs, still overselling and now are stuffed cause we want to do SOMETHING with the net that takes mroe kb/sec then email. Cry me a river.</p>
<p>Its not fair for us to uplaod, however its fair for them to sell bandwidth we dont have? Even a child knows two wrongs dont make a right! They been overselling all along and raking the $ in. So now its time for THEM to pony up and pay the fees to actually provide that unlimited net they promised me!</p>
<p>If this keeps up at this rate&#8230;..well need a few rich folks to start a &#8220;real isp&#8221; and show these loosers how to make $ and server the entire internet unlimited as it should be. Its that or just let it die altogether. See how the gov likes it if we all ban the net for a while hahahaha. Major cash flow stopped. Boycott the net if this catches on, thats what I think we should do. within two months they would see things differently.</p>
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		<title>By: comcast user</title>
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		<dc:creator>comcast user</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the majority of you all are uninformed and uneducated. if comcast's technology can stop you from using your upload bandwith how you see fit, than use your technology to get around it. :] TUNNEL!!

or u can simply use rapidshare and megaupload like 100 million other people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the majority of you all are uninformed and uneducated. if comcast&#8217;s technology can stop you from using your upload bandwith how you see fit, than use your technology to get around it. :] TUNNEL!!</p>
<p>or u can simply use rapidshare and megaupload like 100 million other people</p>
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		<title>By: kjij@</title>
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		<dc:creator>kjij@</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 20:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The companies shaping or dropping torrent traffic are almost all cable Internet services. They do this because the cable line is being shared amongst users and in order compete with actual high speed Internet services like DSL and fiber connections that are dedicated they would have to shape traffic or be truthful in advertising. Cable Internet services can't actually compete with DSL or fiber. People think it is faster because of the maximum speed that is possible given no other users are using the shared connection can be faster than DSL and fiber. With fiber and DSL the companies are truthfully advertising the speeds they provide. Most DSL and fiber Internet services could actually provide connections as fast as cable if they decided to shape bandwidth like cable Internet services. The way cable Internet services sell access is fraudulent. Even though they have a TOS users can not be expected to read this for every little sale. The law does often recognize consumers have certain rights regardless of what they may have agreed to in the TOS. If something is blatantly different than what one would expect regardless of the TOS users can potentially win a court settlement. Earthlink was sued years ago for providing newsgroup traffic speeds at less than what Earthlink advertised Internet service speeds. Who won? The consumers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The companies shaping or dropping torrent traffic are almost all cable Internet services. They do this because the cable line is being shared amongst users and in order compete with actual high speed Internet services like DSL and fiber connections that are dedicated they would have to shape traffic or be truthful in advertising. Cable Internet services can&#8217;t actually compete with DSL or fiber. People think it is faster because of the maximum speed that is possible given no other users are using the shared connection can be faster than DSL and fiber. With fiber and DSL the companies are truthfully advertising the speeds they provide. Most DSL and fiber Internet services could actually provide connections as fast as cable if they decided to shape bandwidth like cable Internet services. The way cable Internet services sell access is fraudulent. Even though they have a TOS users can not be expected to read this for every little sale. The law does often recognize consumers have certain rights regardless of what they may have agreed to in the TOS. If something is blatantly different than what one would expect regardless of the TOS users can potentially win a court settlement. Earthlink was sued years ago for providing newsgroup traffic speeds at less than what Earthlink advertised Internet service speeds. Who won? The consumers.</p>
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