Comments on: Comcast Is Starting The Tiered Internet.. Whether We Like It or Not http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/ Enhancing your Ubuntu experience! Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:29:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Ed Franhill http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-15232 Ed Franhill Sat, 31 Dec 2011 00:44:21 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-15232 They cant stop the Vortex "..Comcast I speaking of my ISP............" ZETONMAN Uploaded: 234.38 GB Downloaded: 1.66 TB Ratio: 0.14 (Updated once a day) They cant stop the Vortex

“..Comcast I speaking of my ISP…………”

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]]> By: George http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-15046 George Tue, 06 Dec 2011 17:10:46 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-15046 Yeah, one more step towards censorship. I just renewed my subscription with http://www.sunvpn.com/, I usually use it when I travel, but it seems that I also need back home. BTW, has anyone ever received a DCMA complaint from Comcast for bittorrent downloads? Yeah, one more step towards censorship. I just renewed my subscription with http://www.sunvpn.com/, I usually use it when I travel, but it seems that I also need back home.

BTW, has anyone ever received a DCMA complaint from Comcast for bittorrent downloads?

]]> By: Koz http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-3855 Koz Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:56:41 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-3855 Get a server, get a T1, and then bam you all set. Get a server, get a T1, and then bam you all set.

]]> By: secretboy http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-3767 secretboy Mon, 11 Feb 2008 00:14:45 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-3767 nice post.keep up the good work. nice post.keep up the good work.

]]> By: Joe http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-2242 Joe Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:09:11 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-2242 Comcrap blows I am getting Fios as soon as its available Comcrap blows I am getting Fios as soon as its available

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]]> By: Susan http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-2163 Susan Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:23:32 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-2163 I see this as a big problem with a VERY simple solution. DON'T USE COMCAST. Do not reward this behavior with your hard earned money. Go with another provider. And if they try to pull that "you signed a contract for X-many months", tell them they've violated the contract themselves by changing the terms of service. The market will soon learn that so-called "tiered internet" doesn't sell, and it starts hitting their bottom line, they WILL change their policies. Unfortunately, for the lesson to work, people need to leave Comcast and leave them quickly and leave them in droves while there's still competition to go to. If the industry as a whole decides to screw the consumer with "tiered internet" everywhere, so that there are no more choices, then we're all screwed. It's best to punish one offender now than to let the rest get ideas... STOP PAYING FOR COMCAST! SWITCH TO ANOTHER PROVIDER! DO IT NOW! I see this as a big problem with a VERY simple solution.

DON’T USE COMCAST. Do not reward this behavior with your hard earned money. Go with another provider.

And if they try to pull that “you signed a contract for X-many months”, tell them they’ve violated the contract themselves by changing the terms of service.

The market will soon learn that so-called “tiered internet” doesn’t sell, and it starts hitting their bottom line, they WILL change their policies.

Unfortunately, for the lesson to work, people need to leave Comcast and leave them quickly and leave them in droves while there’s still competition to go to. If the industry as a whole decides to screw the consumer with “tiered internet” everywhere, so that there are no more choices, then we’re all screwed. It’s best to punish one offender now than to let the rest get ideas…

STOP PAYING FOR COMCAST! SWITCH TO ANOTHER PROVIDER! DO IT NOW!

]]> By: Kyran http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-2162 Kyran Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:40:12 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-2162 There's a lot of argument over consumer rights vs corporate rights with no agreement and no way to definitively win. There's also a lot of argument over simple definitions (the most common argument over what a "server" is). Again..nobody can really win that. You give me a dictionary that defines it one way and I'll pull out a handbook that defines it another. "A" way to look at this...certainly not the only way and perhaps not the most correct way, but it's 'an' optional view... Someone or other made the argument about cable companies overselling their bandwidth because they don't expect users to actually USE all of it. The same thing happens on airlines with seats...not everyone who books a flight actually shows up for it..business people are commonly known to book themselves on 3 or 4 different flights "just in case." Because of this, airlines overbook flights in anticipation of people not showing up. Who here has ever bought a ticket only to have no seat waiting for them on the plane from where it was overbooked though? For those arguing in defense of the cable companies trying to turn a profit by overselling their bandwidth, how do YOU like being left behind when the plane has no room? You have equal right to be angry at the people who triple-book themselves and make the airlines HAVE to overbook a flight in order to turn a profit as you have to be mad at the airline for leaving you stranded. Who's in the wrong? Either or perhaps both, but there's no way ANYONE can really pin it down. With advancements in software models to predict traffic flow based on a number of different things, the airlines have accounted for such problems and done a wonderful job in correcting it...they've adjusted their prices and schedules accordingly, made advancements in various respects, and mostly solved the problem. It still happens, but it's rare compared to back in the day. Why can't an ISP do the same? Adjust its business model and prices and services and plans and infrastructure in such a way that more bandwidth is put where it is needed when it is needed and such on and so forth? This argument supports both sides..it supports the consumer's right to expect certain services and it supports an ISP's right to adapt to a changing world. It's a vastly dynamic market with lots of possibilities..change is the only way anything can move forward (I know...'duh' right?). Perhaps some decisions are being made in the name of greed and profit. Perhaps some decisions are being made for self preservation. Perhaps some decisions are selflessly being made for the benefit of everyone (though the one in debate here today probably doesn't fall into that last category). EVERYONE has the ability to decide. If Comcast decides to block bittorrent, you can decide to change providers or find a loop-around as has been suggested. The curse and blessing of living in a capitalistic society is that you're often at the mercy of powerful corporations..but no matter how big the corporation, there's always an alternative. *shrug* I realize I made no real point...I just wanted to summarize everything in a food-for-thought kind of format. There’s a lot of argument over consumer rights vs corporate rights with no agreement and no way to definitively win.

There’s also a lot of argument over simple definitions (the most common argument over what a “server” is). Again..nobody can really win that. You give me a dictionary that defines it one way and I’ll pull out a handbook that defines it another.

“A” way to look at this…certainly not the only way and perhaps not the most correct way, but it’s ‘an’ optional view…
Someone or other made the argument about cable companies overselling their bandwidth because they don’t expect users to actually USE all of it.
The same thing happens on airlines with seats…not everyone who books a flight actually shows up for it..business people are commonly known to book themselves on 3 or 4 different flights “just in case.” Because of this, airlines overbook flights in anticipation of people not showing up. Who here has ever bought a ticket only to have no seat waiting for them on the plane from where it was overbooked though? For those arguing in defense of the cable companies trying to turn a profit by overselling their bandwidth, how do YOU like being left behind when the plane has no room? You have equal right to be angry at the people who triple-book themselves and make the airlines HAVE to overbook a flight in order to turn a profit as you have to be mad at the airline for leaving you stranded. Who’s in the wrong? Either or perhaps both, but there’s no way ANYONE can really pin it down.

With advancements in software models to predict traffic flow based on a number of different things, the airlines have accounted for such problems and done a wonderful job in correcting it…they’ve adjusted their prices and schedules accordingly, made advancements in various respects, and mostly solved the problem. It still happens, but it’s rare compared to back in the day.
Why can’t an ISP do the same? Adjust its business model and prices and services and plans and infrastructure in such a way that more bandwidth is put where it is needed when it is needed and such on and so forth?
This argument supports both sides..it supports the consumer’s right to expect certain services and it supports an ISP’s right to adapt to a changing world.

It’s a vastly dynamic market with lots of possibilities..change is the only way anything can move forward (I know…’duh’ right?).
Perhaps some decisions are being made in the name of greed and profit. Perhaps some decisions are being made for self preservation. Perhaps some decisions are selflessly being made for the benefit of everyone (though the one in debate here today probably doesn’t fall into that last category). EVERYONE has the ability to decide. If Comcast decides to block bittorrent, you can decide to change providers or find a loop-around as has been suggested.
The curse and blessing of living in a capitalistic society is that you’re often at the mercy of powerful corporations..but no matter how big the corporation, there’s always an alternative.
*shrug*
I realize I made no real point…I just wanted to summarize everything in a food-for-thought kind of format.

]]> By: John http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/08/21/comcast-is-starting-the-tiered-internet-whether-we-like-it-or-not/#comment-2161 John Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:00:37 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=422#comment-2161 To the reply about ISP overselling bandwidth. We know this, same with server co's. BUT is it OUT obligation to allow them to oversell. IE sell a service THEY FULL WELL KNOW they can not provide. This is OUR fault> id like to see how. Fact is they got caught with britches down. Fact is hardware and bandwidth cost is dropping imensly not just for us but them aswell. Diff is they are pocketing the diff in costs, still overselling and now are stuffed cause we want to do SOMETHING with the net that takes mroe kb/sec then email. Cry me a river. Its not fair for us to uplaod, however its fair for them to sell bandwidth we dont have? Even a child knows two wrongs dont make a right! They been overselling all along and raking the $ in. So now its time for THEM to pony up and pay the fees to actually provide that unlimited net they promised me! If this keeps up at this rate.....well need a few rich folks to start a "real isp" and show these loosers how to make $ and server the entire internet unlimited as it should be. Its that or just let it die altogether. See how the gov likes it if we all ban the net for a while hahahaha. Major cash flow stopped. Boycott the net if this catches on, thats what I think we should do. within two months they would see things differently. To the reply about ISP overselling bandwidth. We know this, same with server co’s. BUT is it OUT obligation to allow them to oversell. IE sell a service THEY FULL WELL KNOW they can not provide. This is OUR fault> id like to see how. Fact is they got caught with britches down. Fact is hardware and bandwidth cost is dropping imensly not just for us but them aswell. Diff is they are pocketing the diff in costs, still overselling and now are stuffed cause we want to do SOMETHING with the net that takes mroe kb/sec then email. Cry me a river.

Its not fair for us to uplaod, however its fair for them to sell bandwidth we dont have? Even a child knows two wrongs dont make a right! They been overselling all along and raking the $ in. So now its time for THEM to pony up and pay the fees to actually provide that unlimited net they promised me!

If this keeps up at this rate…..well need a few rich folks to start a “real isp” and show these loosers how to make $ and server the entire internet unlimited as it should be. Its that or just let it die altogether. See how the gov likes it if we all ban the net for a while hahahaha. Major cash flow stopped. Boycott the net if this catches on, thats what I think we should do. within two months they would see things differently.

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