Comments on: Ubuntu 7.10 vs Windows XP : The Story of the Hotel Printer http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/ Enhancing your Ubuntu experience! Thu, 02 Feb 2012 10:29:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: MHA http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-8952 MHA Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:29:48 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-8952 thats thef cuking shittiest arguement ever its like me saying i went up to a server with no gui just command-line and wanted to print put firdst had to install a DE and pdf reader but couldnt coz i didnt kno the root password(the computer wasn't set up correctly for you, and was obv runnig slow because somebody had messd it up, i find an install of xp with nod32 and office 07 (WAY FUCKING BETTER THAT Open OFfice (office 97 rip off)) on the same PC is faster than a linux install in general esp. on FF and stuff if you plugged that fucking usb stick into my XP computer it would have been recognised instantly and you would have been able to print on adobe pdf reader or sumatra pdf reader and have you never heard of fucking portable apps that require an install, why didnt you DL one of those on the XP pc thats thef cuking shittiest arguement ever

its like me saying i went up to a server with no gui just command-line and wanted to print put firdst had to install a DE and pdf reader but couldnt coz i didnt kno the root password(the computer wasn't set up correctly for you, and was obv runnig slow because somebody had messd it up, i find an install of xp with nod32 and office 07 (WAY FUCKING BETTER THAT Open OFfice (office 97 rip off)) on the same PC is faster than a linux install in general esp. on FF and stuff

if you plugged that fucking usb stick into my XP computer it would have been recognised instantly and you would have been able to print on adobe pdf reader or sumatra pdf reader

and have you never heard of fucking portable apps that require an install, why didnt you DL one of those on the XP pc

]]> By: El Dusto http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-8946 El Dusto Sun, 07 Jun 2009 17:36:38 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-8946 LONG LATE Comment! But, XP is faster than that, and Ubuntu is slower than you mention. And Adobe is responsible for the huge download, not Microsoft Windows. Nice job bashing, but it doesn't give your article much cred. I use and like Linux, and Windows. Linux is awesome in many respects, but it isn't as awesome as you portrait it. Just because of ONE hotel PC that didn't do what you wanted, but YOUR PC does, doesn't mean that "Ubuntu just works". So does Windows. If you know what you are doing! ;) LONG LATE Comment! But, XP is faster than that, and Ubuntu is slower than you mention. And Adobe is responsible for the huge download, not Microsoft Windows.

Nice job bashing, but it doesn't give your article much cred. I use and like Linux, and Windows. Linux is awesome in many respects, but it isn't as awesome as you portrait it. Just because of ONE hotel PC that didn't do what you wanted, but YOUR PC does, doesn't mean that "Ubuntu just works". So does Windows. If you know what you are doing! ;)

]]> By: Sushanta http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-6267 Sushanta Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:08:23 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-6267 Fine. let us then try to compare Vista(Premium Business) with the basic Ubuntu. To be precise, let us take the exact version of Ubuntu matching the birth of Microsoft Vista. I started using windows in 1998 with the 3.1 and then 97, 98, 98SE, etc. Quite late I came across 2000, ME, NT and then the siblings. I only came across Linux in 2002, after four long years of using DOS and Windows. I have admin experience on all aforesaid. 98se was a relief to many, including me. But after having extensively used so many OSes, I just can say that Ubuntu in Linux means what XP means in the windows family. Can there be any explanation to the claim that accompanied Vista of being natively virusproof. It can be proved that the 3.1 or the NT architecture can never be virus proof with what ever antivirus or other tools being deployed. It is a feature of the OS architecture. Now a days people are afraid to insert stray pendrives or CDs or DVDs, because none knows when an autorun executes and corrupts the system files. But I have been using Ubuntu for years to disinfect such pendrives. Friends give a satisfying smile after their sick pendrive recovers to get working again. We confidently plug pendrives to ubuntu machines. If you ask how Linux is inherently virus tolerant: Ask an ardent NT 3/4/5 fan if he ever knew what a PPID was! That's the answer. May be this is enough. Fine.

let us then try to compare Vista(Premium Business) with the basic Ubuntu. To be precise, let us take the exact version of Ubuntu matching the birth of Microsoft Vista.

I started using windows in 1998 with the 3.1 and then 97, 98, 98SE, etc. Quite late I came across 2000, ME, NT and then the siblings. I only came across Linux in 2002, after four long years of using DOS and Windows. I have admin experience on all aforesaid. 98se was a relief to many, including me. But after having extensively used so many OSes, I just can say that Ubuntu in Linux means what XP means in the windows family.

Can there be any explanation to the claim that accompanied Vista of being natively virusproof. It can be proved that the 3.1 or the NT architecture can never be virus proof with what ever antivirus or other tools being deployed. It is a feature of the OS architecture.

Now a days people are afraid to insert stray pendrives or CDs or DVDs, because none knows when an autorun executes and corrupts the system files. But I have been using Ubuntu for years to disinfect such pendrives. Friends give a satisfying smile after their sick pendrive recovers to get working again. We confidently plug pendrives to ubuntu machines.

If you ask how Linux is inherently virus tolerant: Ask an ardent NT 3/4/5 fan if he ever knew what a PPID was!

That’s the answer. May be this is enough.

]]> By: Marco http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-4731 Marco Wed, 11 Jun 2008 09:15:25 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-4731 I'm a devoted linux user myself, but as others have said the comparison made isn't quite fair. On one hand we're criticizing windows for not shipping with a standard pdf reader (something that probably wasn't quite standard when winxp was released), and on the other when IE is bundled with windows it's antitrust. Furthermore, if the hotel computer isn't up to date it's the hotel's fault, not the OS. A fairer comparison would be to compare it to the ubuntu distribution from when the hotel computer was last updated - did ubuntu even exist then? I’m a devoted linux user myself, but as others have said the comparison made isn’t quite fair. On one hand we’re criticizing windows for not shipping with a standard pdf reader (something that probably wasn’t quite standard when winxp was released), and on the other when IE is bundled with windows it’s antitrust. Furthermore, if the hotel computer isn’t up to date it’s the hotel’s fault, not the OS. A fairer comparison would be to compare it to the ubuntu distribution from when the hotel computer was last updated – did ubuntu even exist then?

]]> By: DD http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-3041 DD Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:49:12 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-3041 I've been using Ubuntu for 6 months now. It's way better than XP. I try to convince my friends to use Ubuntu but They are used to Windows XP and they think that other OSs are all risk (including Vista). That's reasonable. Since i installed Ubuntu on my computer, I've reinstalled it for more than 10 times. However, that's not a big deal to me. Nothing can stop my excitement in learning a modern OS that i believe to be used widely in the future. Linux with compiz fusion is fascinating. If people choose Mac because of the candy look, they are really wasting their money. Though, it's hard to convince them to use just a free stuff. I’ve been using Ubuntu for 6 months now. It’s way better than XP. I try to convince my friends to use Ubuntu but They are used to Windows XP and they think that other OSs are all risk (including Vista). That’s reasonable. Since i installed Ubuntu on my computer, I’ve reinstalled it for more than 10 times. However, that’s not a big deal to me. Nothing can stop my excitement in learning a modern OS that i believe to be used widely in the future. Linux with compiz fusion is fascinating. If people choose Mac because of the candy look, they are really wasting their money. Though, it’s hard to convince them to use just a free stuff.

]]> By: propeller http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-3039 propeller Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:27:47 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-3039 I suggest that you expand this post asking for submissions so that users can submit their stories of how they were pleasantly surprised to find Ubuntu work "out of the box." I was using the WiFi setup with my laptop running Ubuntu at the Indian Trails Library in Wheeling, IL @ http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/ I had to print a 6 page document and I was getting ready to send it to my gmail account so that I can login to the library PC and print it. I just thought I would give it a try. So I configure the printing options to check for a network printer at a certain address. Voila, 60 seconds or so later, Ubuntu not only loads the proper print driver, it prints flawlessly in the first attempt. I was just thrilled and to think that something that is community driven to be this perfect is just awesome. Thanks to all those who contributed to Ubuntu's success. I suggest that you expand this post asking for submissions so that users can submit their stories of how they were pleasantly surprised to find Ubuntu work “out of the box.”

I was using the WiFi setup with my laptop running Ubuntu at the Indian Trails Library in Wheeling, IL @ http://www.indiantrailslibrary.org/

I had to print a 6 page document and I was getting ready to send it to my gmail account so that I can login to the library PC and print it. I just thought I would give it a try. So I configure the printing options to check for a network printer at a certain address. Voila, 60 seconds or so later, Ubuntu not only loads the proper print driver, it prints flawlessly in the first attempt. I was just thrilled and to think that something that is community driven to be this perfect is just awesome.

Thanks to all those who contributed to Ubuntu’s success.

]]> By: HeavyGod http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-3040 HeavyGod Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:43:48 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-3040 Really good and really interesting post. I expect (and other readers maybe :)) new useful posts from you! Good luck and successes in blogging! Really good and really interesting post. I expect (and other readers maybe :) ) new useful posts from you!
Good luck and successes in blogging!

]]> By: Bob Schnick http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-3030 Bob Schnick Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:38:32 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-3030 Ubuntu works. PERIOD. Any enterprise style printer I encounter at work (and there are alot) - UBUNTU Gutsy recognizes. Do I dual boot Linux with windows? Hell no, but I do dual boot with fluxbuntu! 8^) Love your blog - but of course in my case you're preaching to the choir! Ubuntu works. PERIOD. Any enterprise style printer I encounter at work (and there are alot) – UBUNTU Gutsy recognizes. Do I dual boot Linux with windows? Hell no, but I do dual boot with fluxbuntu! 8^) Love your blog – but of course in my case you’re preaching to the choir!

]]> By: George http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-3038 George Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:45:15 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-3038 You may be just lucky that the printer worked. My Canon MP160 refuses to "just work" in Ubuntu. In many cases, it doesn't even "work." I got it working (after a solid week of fiddling) in Feisty. Even then, the formatting was all messed up. I wiped my Linux partition to install Gutsy (something I told myself I'd do a while back, because I butchered Feisty configs as it was my first time using Linux since '98, and I also wanted to see how much Gutsy did by itself...which was significantly more than Feisty). However, even with all of the excellent changes, I still can't get my MP160 working. It's a shame (and somewhat confusing) that the default printer list in Ubuntu goes from MP150 to MP170, skipping over the MP160. The only two things keeping me from switching completely are reliable Photoshop (I can use VirtualBox for basic editing, but any remotely complex files just eat up way too much RAM on my little 1GB machine (of which I can only devote 512 to VB) and printing. Now that Gutsy at least gives me a wireless connection long enough to download the packages needed to get it working completely, if these 2 final thorns could work reliably out of the box, I would move Ubuntu from my 80GB drive to my 320GB Windows drive. I'm not holding my breath for Photoshop anytime soon, but I was hoping the printer support would be added by now. You may be just lucky that the printer worked.

My Canon MP160 refuses to “just work” in Ubuntu. In many cases, it doesn’t even “work.”

I got it working (after a solid week of fiddling) in Feisty. Even then, the formatting was all messed up. I wiped my Linux partition to install Gutsy (something I told myself I’d do a while back, because I butchered Feisty configs as it was my first time using Linux since ’98, and I also wanted to see how much Gutsy did by itself…which was significantly more than Feisty). However, even with all of the excellent changes, I still can’t get my MP160 working.

It’s a shame (and somewhat confusing) that the default printer list in Ubuntu goes from MP150 to MP170, skipping over the MP160.

The only two things keeping me from switching completely are reliable Photoshop (I can use VirtualBox for basic editing, but any remotely complex files just eat up way too much RAM on my little 1GB machine (of which I can only devote 512 to VB) and printing. Now that Gutsy at least gives me a wireless connection long enough to download the packages needed to get it working completely, if these 2 final thorns could work reliably out of the box, I would move Ubuntu from my 80GB drive to my 320GB Windows drive. I’m not holding my breath for Photoshop anytime soon, but I was hoping the printer support would be added by now.

]]> By: Steve http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/08/ubuntu-710-vs-windows-xp-the-story-of-the-hotel-printer/#comment-3032 Steve Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:55:44 +0000 http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/?p=499#comment-3032 If Windows had included a PDF reader and a lot of other pre-installed software they would be very quickly slapped with an anti-trust lawsuit . Just look at what happened with their media player. So I do not think it is a fair statement to say that the default installation of Windows does not include similar applications as Ubuntu. The first time you install new hardware in Windows it takes a minute or so to recognize it the first time. Subsequent times it is recognized very fast. I've been using Linux for a few years now and Ubuntu for 10 months, love Ubuntu and it is my main system. I've had some hardware problems, especially with NVidia drivers, but once past that it has been a breeze. If Windows had included a PDF reader and a lot of other pre-installed software they would be very quickly slapped with an anti-trust lawsuit . Just look at what happened with their media player. So I do not think it is a fair statement to say that the default installation of Windows does not include similar applications as Ubuntu.

The first time you install new hardware in Windows it takes a minute or so to recognize it the first time. Subsequent times it is recognized very fast.

I’ve been using Linux for a few years now and Ubuntu for 10 months, love Ubuntu and it is my main system. I’ve had some hardware problems, especially with NVidia drivers, but once past that it has been a breeze.

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